The long awaited face to face between the two presidential hopefuls eventually took place in spite of previous delays which cast doubts about it happening at all. But somehow the two contenders managed to have time and guts to show up and confront each other in what is widely seen as landmark event which will give a boost to our incipient democratic life. With all the trappings of democracy already in place, a televised debate between the major contenders is a good step along the way of implementing democratic tradition in the country. In this regard, the mere act of holding the debate is in itself a big achievement. From now on future polls will all see candidates staking their victory on similar debates, changing the current ways of campaigning and how candidates appeal to voters. This is about the symbolic significance of the event but what about the quality of last night's debate? And how was the performance of the two candidates?
Well the debate kicked off with the two candidates introducing themselves and speaking briefly about why they run for the post and what they would do once elected. At this stage we were expecting the two candidates to paint themselves in concrete straightforward terms and talk about tangible issues, after all this introductory moment will determine how they are going to connect with the viewers throughout the debate and decide the feel at the end. Well, this didn't happen and we saw sweeping generalities and vagueness take over instead. It was clear that AOD was speaking to us from the above, assuming the position of Imam or preacher who speaks final truths and not required to argue for his point or be persuasive to get his message across. For a while I thought the voice of AOD was coming from another world as he reiterated the common universal truths of justice and freedom, etc. He gave me the impression that we were seeking his favor not the other way around. Sidioca on the other hand was more down to earth, he was quick to relate to the viewers as he went on to explain the reasons behind his candidacy and outline his plans for good governance based on plurality and the consolidation of the national unity. Even though he was not necessarily specific about these issues, he outdid AOD by speaking of himself, his objectives and calling voters to choose him. I felt the guy was talking to me and that he has something to say, whether he means it or not that's another issue.
After the brief introductory notes Ould Mamma laid down the axes of the debate which he summarized in the following six points:
National Unity
Good Governance
Fight against Poverty
Education
Economy
Foreign Policy (I don't know why he calls it foreign relations)
As you can see the six points were so interconnected and overlapping that the candidates were most of time repeating themselves. In fact at some point in the debate AOD went out of his "Ghebla" evasiveness and stated it point blank in the face of the journalist that the questions were repetitive, saying that he has already answered the question put to him. But this is another story which cuts deep into the bureaucracy reigning in the national TV and which shuts off good journalists from taking on important assignments like this one.
Let's see each candidate's take on these Axis one by one:
National Unity:
AOD: national unity is a prerequisite for the existence of the state and its prosperity (what! It's not by exaggerating and blowing issues out of proportion that we make sense and meet thorny crises like this one under consideration. AOD is once again victim to his evasiveness and ambiguity. In fact I was expecting him to tell us why there's a national unity crisis and how to remedy it, not simply the kind of hackneyed descriptions he never tires of repeating.) National Unity has suffered from incidents in 1989 and 1990 and I have always defended it out of my love for the country. One way to tackle it is through national reconciliation and spirit of forgiveness and our religion can provide us with the means to do that. I propose a reconciliatory and fair solution away from vengeance and with all parties onboard. (this is not what I have been waiting for. Well, religion and reconciliation can be used in all contexts but AOD left us in the dark about how they can address the problem of national unity. He chose to be silent on this. We will have to wait until his answer to a third question about the coexistence among the components of society to see concrete actions and measures. At this point AOD calls for an organized return for the refugees in Senegal and Mali and promised to compensate them and preserve their dignity. )
Sidioca: our future is dependent on our national unity, without which there'll be no freedom, rights or prosperity in the country. ( Strong emphasis and yet no clear policy or a platform of action. Frankly, Sidioca was echoing AOD and the common denominator between both is lack of conceptual clarity, so much so that one is inclined to think they don't belong to this part of the world. Even a second-rate journalist from "Peshmerga" could have done better.)
On the divisive issue of Language which threatens national unity AOD and Sidioca were so out of imagination as to endorse Taya's obsolete policy. They both defended his Center of National Language without further elaboration or development and said they will abide by the constitution as far as Arabic is concerned. Strangely enough I felt more at home with the former dictator's one-sided view on the issue than with their distorted logic. They were both out of touch with the realities on the ground that they couldn't finish their arguments at certain points. It seems that our hopes for fundamental change may be reduced to mere revival of old policies from Taya's era. Sad.
On the third and last aspect of the national unity question entitled " Coexistence between the Social Components", the two candidates were finally able to come up with concrete measures to sort out the problem of slavery. There was a unanimous stance on the urgent need of fighting slavery in all its forms and manifestations. Both candidates were to a large degree convincing in their views as well as their commitment to the eradication of slavery, each proposing a package of measures ranging from economic assistance to juridical outlawing of the inhuman practice. AOD was first to speak out his mind on the issue and revealed plans to criminalize the practice of slavery, a move reiterated by Sidioca.
Good Governance:
Both candidates were once again entertaining more or less the same views about how to better serve and run the country. It has to be said, though, that throughout the debate only this point was completely exhausted by both as each presented a clear policy for addressing the problems which plague the administration, i.e. favoritism, anarchy, spectacular corruption, etc. They vigorously defended the rule of law and the need for independent judiciary and the separation of powers. AOD stood out when he empathized the impact of the current state of lawlessness on the poor, passionately and sincerely highlighting how the enfranchised segments of society are the most negatively impacted by the violation of law and inefficiency of state institutions. Sidioca on the other was sharply voiced on the role of the executive power in the status quo and went some way in criticizing the former regime's record. He also proposed to set up a ministry charged with revamping the administration and warned against politicizing the administration.
Economy and Fighting Poverty:
If you have been counting on the two candidates' much publicized economic background and experience to effect a real economic transformation in the country you must then brace yourself up for a big disappointment. Up to this point in the debate I kept saying that when we reach the economic axis the two will be able to make up for their failure to be convincing on the other issues, but nothing could have been far from the truth. In fact the two "experimented" economists and former ministers were at a complete loss when they tried to piece together a reliable purchasable economic programme. AOD seemed like to stand for some sort of mix between protected and market-oriented economy while Sidioca was championing the familiar home-made version of liberal economy. Attempts to look academic and provide an expert perspective on the challenges of turning around the economy simply couldn't work. This is why AOD division of the country to three economic regions (rural East and South, Coastal West and Mineral North) was just an intellectual luxury which couldn't seem to influence his analysis of poverty, escalating unemployment, regional isolation, poor or nonexistent infrastructure, etc. The same goes for Sidioca's "Territory Management" which was incongruent with his "local associations" and "Women Associations", revived Taya's economic fragments which in no way can form a coherent and full-fledged policy.
Before going to the next point I have to say in passing that I was extremely moved by AOD's honest and heartfelt defence of the youth and the poor and his awareness that poverty is key to any attempt to tackle our economic melt down. He repeated time and again that to improve our under achieving economy, poverty has to be rooted out from NKTT and other cities nationwide and that meeting the demands of the youth is the way to national stability.
The last issue was Education which none of the two candidates seemed to have given a thought at all. It was real shame.
Twin Brothers Or Sworn Enemies:
There are moments in the debate when I thought thing are going to be hot and the exchange is set to be bullish and more aggressive. Each time, it was AOD who starts the tirade pointing the finger of blame to his rival, accusing him of having "rumuz alfassad" onboard and stuff like that. Sidioca cared to retort but avoided heated confrontation throughout. I thought may be we're going to slip to a more spirited and vigorous debate in which each rival puts up stiff resistance and makes the show more lively, engaging and interesting. But this could never have happened because these were very brief outbreaks of anger and they were quickly put under control.
Yet AOD and Sidioca have perhaps more affinities than their apparent differences. Just take time to think of these points which can be seen as political portrait for both:
- Both are economists without economic agenda
- Both are former ministers and veteran politicians with no idea of what goes on in the country
- Both are old in their sixties
- Both are first round winner with less than 25%
- Both are bad public speaker, the worst command of Arabic and French imaginable (XOY ente vem): this is a tentative glossary in Arabic (Ely ente mnein):
Drop Out (تسرب): AOD calls it (تسيب) while Sidioca (هجرة)
Election (انتخابات): Sidioca calls it (انتخاب)
Ahmed wants to impress with his Hassaniya so he uses slang like (الدكس، بوفرططٌ)
Sidioca keeps repeating all the time (يااللٌ)
As you see, one of the two will be our president, so let's hope he'll replay the face to face and see his shortcomings. This is just to leave on a happy note.
mom
81 comments:
The first " la yula alaya".
the second
Looks like somebody is missing x.
He was funny be3d.
Good luck dude
Mom, very grateful to the amount of information and deep analysis. Thank you allllllllllllllllllllllllot, my Anglophone hero. ALLAH YAHFADHAK LIYA
A wonderful and easy to read blog, indeed. For some reason I didn't attend the debate but it seems that I have missed nothing after reading you mom. Congrats.
Well, more than any thing else said about aod and sidioca, there is a paragraph that made me wonder. It has to do with their underperformance on the question about the economy. My sole hope has been that after all whoever win of the two guys he will best placed to revive the economy and reduce the widening gap between the rich and poor. Somehow, I have come to live up with the thought they will do bad on issues like foreign policy, education, eradicating tribalism, national unity and slavery, etc. But all along the campaign I never doubted they have great plans to make a good economic take off in the country, given their academic and professional history in the field. Now that they looked out of shape on the economy as they did on the other issues, I can't tell you how frustrated I'm.
LAVRAK
Once again Ahemd Ould Dadah proves he is above suspicion and fit for good leadership. He revealed in his press conference yesterday, that he offered the post of PM or Parliament Speaker to Massoud in the event he win the election, but the latter turned the offer down preferring to rally "rumuz alfassad". Over the last days we heard a lot about unsubstantiated allegations that Ahmed doesn't care about Massoud and some went to hail Sidioca's negotiating skills and son on. Now with this revelation, it becomes clear what Ahmed did to save the CFCD from disintegrating and the log way he went to have Massoud's support. But the truth of the matter is that Sidioca's propaganda machine is very good at circulating gossip and rumors against their rival, something they inherited from their mentor Taya.
Tomorrow is the d-day, make sure to be up to the historical rendezvous. Think always that your vote counts and that it may turn fortunes. Vote and make history.
Ano: 03:30
Perhaps you mean vote Ahmed Ould Dadah and make history.
From what I read on this bolg and the various discussions I had with other people I can tell that, at the face of it, the face to face was a great disappointment. No one expected that the two candidates would have such poor knowledge of the pressing issues that grip our public and private lives. None ever thought they are such bad communicators. On all levels, they both showed no signs of leadership and the entire show was a sort of made up fox-pops. AOD and Sedioca lacked the sense of initiative and enthusiasm indispensable in moments like these, and they appeared pale and dull.
Yet "min nahyatin ukhra", we can congratulate ourselves for getting to know the guys before the vote. Tomorrow, we'll be casting our ballots with a clear idea of our "favorite". We know both are faces of the same coin and thus we have to stop pinching hopes on what would they do to improve our lives. My point is that we try and finish this business tomorrow and prepare a solid viable opposition to the winner. The bet is no more on who wins but on pressurizing the winner to avoid derailing the country into chaos.
Vive Sidioca, notre president,
"kajkoum"
All Mauritanians will go to bed early to night because they have to wake up early tomorrow to vote. Only one person will spend the night up, haunted by nightmares and devastated by worries. He is no other than AOD, who will hope this night will be longer and longer in spite of his misery and unease. He knows that his fate will be sealed when it's day break and the first polling station opens. When Mauritanians start casting their votes, AOD will start his journey to defeat and oblivion. AOD your hours are counted, so bear it with honor and grace and don't blame your loss on anyone else but you.
Sidioca forever
Ano: 11:02
Did it ever happen to you that it's not about loss or victory but about the democratic future of the country. In democracies whoever wins will be representing all of us in government and whoever loses will also be representing us in the opposition. Both ways, Ahmed will have done his national duty and served his country. So stop your mercantile logic, Sidioca, and sleep well to vote tomorrow.
Some say Ely is on a national tour blackmailing people to vote for AOD.
سينجح، لا لن ينجح، سينجح، لا لن ينجح، سينجح، لالالالالالالالالالالالالالالالالا لن ينجح سيديوكاكا، قولوا لي أيضا أنكم لا تؤمنون "بلكزانة"، أصبحتم تشكون في كل شيء حتى في نجاح أحمد حبيب الشعب
Both camps should be ready for losing this elections and what their immediate actions should look like. The loser should publicly admit his lose in a news conference and call on his supporters to accept the results and unite behind the new president. That will be a clear sign of true leadership and a clear indication that the overall unity and stability of the country is what he values most. Let’s see if personal interest will overcome national interest after the election tomorrow.
Californian
Hi Californian,
you're right the vote should be a step forward regardless of the winner. An ideal scenario would be a national unity government with the winner a president and the loser PM. We have to recognize that these are exceptional times where mistrust reigns between the political actors. "True leadership" is what we expect tomorrow from the defeated party but also from the winning party which has to reach out for its rivals and include them in the running of the country insteated of antagonizing them.
Californian, ano above
You want to say that AOD has to put national unity ahead of his thirst for power. Agreed.
What's up Kids?
I see we've been acquiring a lot of Sidioca supporters, or some of the already existing members have announced their support to Taya3, sorry I meant Sidioca. Dont blame me. It's not my fault that the two have rather a lot in commun (le petit o.mbarek, cheikh l3avye, lemrabet sidimahmoud, etc entoume vem).
Mom, I like ur analysis, I always do. To follow up on ur comment about Sidioca outdoing AOD and introducing himself to the people,and explaining why he's running, and AOD not doing so. From a pure logic point, the guy was literally unknown to any of us before these elections. We gave him 25% of the votes, don't u think he owes us a brief introduction? I agree with u he didn't need to do it. He can win without doing it, he just did two weeks ago. His explanation, although needed, wasn't helpful/plausible, I still dont understand why he's running.
Perhaps the CMJD can explain it better. I am sure they understand it more.
In case, la9ederallah, Sidioca wins I am hopping he will tell Mes3oud/ ZZ to go **** themselves. Especially mes3oud I cant wait to see the look on his face, C une ingratitude.
We will see what will happen demain enchalah!
A plus!
no one commented yet!!
where r u guys? I am bringing RedBull to wake u up, u clearly need some energy.
Marhaba akhi un chinguitois
I like your comment and the ease with which you lay down your ideas, it's really a great merit to be able to make oneself understood so clearly and easily. Like you I felt Sidioca is gaining some ground here tonight, maybe his sympathizers want to impress a day ahead of the polls, kind of muscle flexing "yaatina khayrhum" (lol). No kidding the other guys from AOD's camps are in their turn defending their turf here as well. So good luck and welcome for all.
What I meant by Sidioca outdoing AOD in the first introductory note is that he was speaking to us while AOD was lost to abstract issues of justice and equality. I felt like Aod was lecturing us while Sidioca was smart enough to go about it the simple way, straightforward and to the point. This doesn't mean, however, that his overall performance was greater than AOD, a fact I cared to highlight in the blog. I agree with all the reasons you cited and yet when the guy scores some points we have to give him credit. At that early moment in the debate my idea was that Sidioca has received some good counsel about the techniques of debating before the show unlike AOD.
mom
The chair of AOD's campaign accuses the government of using money and influence to attract voters to support Sidioca. Mohamed Mahmoud Ould Waddadi said he has submitted a report detailing the violations which include around five thousand cases in which names were registered twice.
hey guys, what's up??
Mom keep us updated on what's going on on the ground.
All of you guys who have some insider info, let us know.
I heard SIDIOCA is living in the Khayma Hotel now,with his family, it seems like he's making the transition from his house to the Grey House.
I hope he will be back to his old house.
For those of u who are like me, left in the dark, I will be kind enough to report some useless info, but hey at least I'm trying. Everyone else is busy, the polls should be closed now. And in a matter of hours we will start getting the results. Hold ur breath and pray for a peaceful change.
Mom, I know u're busy but we're waiting for real info.
A plus
if there's anything remarkable in this turn off, it's the unexpected low turn out which was visible almost in most polling station in NKTT. Reports from interior regions also say the turn out is low. the impact of this will be very negative on Sidioca because un like AOD his electorate are not mobilized and expectations here are that most of them chose to stay home instead of casting their votes. on the other, AOD's supporters are widely expected to come and vote. This speculation remain to be verified.
last ano, ur analysis is relevant and hopefully it's the case. However it may be a different situation. I have heard in the last weeks that Sidioca' band was buying votes from people who would otherwise have voted for AOD.
We will see what happen enchallah.
Un chinguittois,
I get the feeling that you are bracing yourself and finding excuse for an eventual AOD defeat. Low turn out in NKTT is especially harmful to AOD, but its all speculation at this point. We will know soon enough. Good luck to all.
Californian
Miss you guys. Slept the whole weekend and I am now awake to follow on the election. I read the story from one of our bloggers saying that Ould Wedadi complained to the Ministry of Interior regarding the double registration of 5000 voters. From canalh, someone is giving the price of a card (without your ID card, you cannot vote). So, is all of this mean that there is the possibility for the AOD camp to refuse the outcome of this election? I just don't want another Congo for the country(Kabila cheated and now Jean-pierre Mbemba is making him pay). Whoever wins (they are the same in competence and in playing tricks) will be ok for me personally. I hope the lucky loser will accept. Tidinit
I see some preliminary results. I forgot this site from Montreal. Sidi on top now. Tidinit
http://www.click4mauritania.com/presidentielle-2007/2eme-tour/index.php
hey guys what's up
the polls are closed and we are waiting for the results, i hope AOD is our next president but if it isn't the case i hope he will accept the results and i don't think he will if he lose
mom what's up ?
guys keep giving news
I just checked the preliminary results through the above webpage I gave you. Messaoud switching sides has has an enormous impact on AOD. The preliminary results for Nktt: Sisioca 52.17% and AOD 47.83%. AOD has always won in Nktt. But without Messaoud, he lost. Let's see. Tidinit
Sorry. I made a mistake. The results are still temporary. I see now AOD winning in Nktt. All is very early to tell. Tidinit
It's over, according to alakhbar SIDIOCA won, his supporters are down the streets celebrating "a far from deserved victory." El 7amdoulillah 3ela kouli 7al.
Personally I am disappointed, but hey look at the bright side, the first time we have a "real" elections. We shouldn't be complaining.
Once again el 7amdoulillah
Hi all,
Today, Money and Power won over Heart and Conscience. But it was a fair game. For that I am happy for Mauritania. People have spoken 54% of them chose Sidioca to run their business for the next five years. As a avid AOD supporter, I accept the elections outcome and congratulate Sidioca’s. For AOD, Sarr, Hananna, Mouloud, Haidalla and the other women and men who care, what you did is best described in Albert Einstein quote: “strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value”.
TO Sidioca, please remember that God and 46% of Mauritanians will be watching your every move in the next five years.
“Mseikine Mouritan”
EYOUB
If there are irregularities and Ahmed does not accept? Hope we will not go back to square 1. I think Ahmed won as most people know that the Sidioca camp was buying voting cards from poor people planning to vote for AOD. I do believe that because we are sick and tired of the process, we are accepting who ever among the two is winning. They are equal and both have been very much playing tricks with the military to win at the end of the day. Hope all mauritanians are happy and there will be no one in the near future making again a coup to re-start all this over. You cheat in an election, you set a justification for more trouble. Look at the Democratic Republic of Congo today. Hope there will be a coalition government and AOD will be very tired to accept it. Tidinit
Gentlemen, you draw conclusions as if it's over. Sidioca is leading with just 51% after 90% of the votes were officially tallied. This is too close to call and we don't know what will happen over the next few hours. AOD can still move to the front and change course of the race.
I'm though impressed by the of the posts I went through. From the great political maturity and tolerance the bolggers showed, I can tell that our society is well ahead of its African and Arab neighbors. Tight run elections like these could have sent countries into violence and endangered their political stability, but with the democratic attitudes I saw here and everywhere else I can not stop wondering how a people of such unbounded generosity and tolerance can be so unlucky to have leaderships like the ones which keep changing hands militarily since independence. At least now we can boat of having fair and free elections in spite of the other ills and roadblocks. Congrats.
It's sad that AOD loses with the high percentages he got in big cities.
Sidioca lead with 5% after votes tallied in the 51 polling points nationwide. This puts him at 53% with AOD finishing 47%.
Has Ahmed accepted? Tidinit
So far that the results are the outcome of a transparent election, AOD will certainly accept them. In fact he won't be alone in ceding defeat and recognizing the new government, other members of the CFCD will also be doing the same. I don't know why everyone is raising this issue as if AOD is undemocratic and part of the problem.
No one is saying that AOD is undemocratic. We just want to hear him say that he accepts defeat and congratulate the winner. No one should talk for him. Tidinit
sidioca officially is our president
acourding to the minester of interior he just anounse it on tvm
Breaking News
The interior minister has just declared Ould Cheikh Abdallahi a winner in the elections.
mom
Thanks mom. At last. We can now look forward for a brighter future for the country.
This is another black day in the long and tumultuous history of this brave and courageous nation. The victory of "Rumuz Alfassad" was widely expected and the declaration by the interior minister is not a novelty. None of us was expecting this to be an easy ride as the residues of the Taya's toppled regime still enjoy tremendous influence in the country. This explains how the incoming president won the election in spite of his being relatively unknown to the masses. We're still where decisions taken at the top can decide the winners and the losers. This being said we have to remember that the fight is far from over and that Sidioca has to keep in mind that the people who trashed Taya into oblivion are capable of doing the same to him if he followed the same policy and does not work to improve the lives of the disenfranchised millions out there. Mauritanians are betting on their ability to put up a stiff fight at every historical U-turn, and they will continue to do so after Sidioca and his future cabinet are sworn in, inchaa allah.
LAVRAK
After some thinking, we have now a mirror image of the old system: PRDS replaced by the Mithaq coalition (same people for 90%) and the military controling everything until 2012. Let's give the new President the benefit of the doubt until he forms his government. If it is again the Mithaq/PRDS people who form the government, then we can assume that nothing has changed: only Taya is gomne. Aziz seems to be very active and I don't know what he has in mind. For sure Ely is gone and will never come back, I think.
LAVRAK, resistance is to power is a healthy aspect of democracy as long as it is conducted peacefully and within the democratic standards defined by law and the constitution. On the other, it's early to condemn Sidioca on the ground you just stated. Wait to see if the guy will live up to his promises on which Mauritanians voted him in to office, just give him some of the slack then pass your judgment. Now we have to back our government which is legitimately elected and watch its behavior over the coming months.
Let's wait and see. Changing things for the better will be an uphill battle for our new President. I truly hope that he will succeed and be very firm to set the ball rolling in the right direction. Some ano has said that the Mithaq is a replica of the old PRDS and that raises my hair. I guess he has made too many promises and he can rightly throw out those that are just for political reason. He should also make sure that he is not controlled by the military as they can mess things as they did for the past 29 years. I am confident and I know he could not have won if he did not compromise a little bit his principles. He is a good man, I guess, and let him do things his own way for some 100 days to see. However, there is always need to continue pressue of some sort by all bloggers of all Mauritania to help him succeed. I was for Messaoud, dropped him and switched to AOD when the former joined Sidioca and I am now back to Sidioca and I trust him until further notice. We have to respect him until we feel that he betrays us all. You never know: people change when given the right circumstance (s). Bonne soire. Tidinit
It's a moment many doubted will never come, but it did against all odds. A smooth, transparent and democratic vote that ended decades of military rule and brought a civilian to power. True, there are misgivings but we should unite around the up coming government for the stake are huge.
I have to say that I was, surprisingly, excited watching the election results coming in last night. Extremely close numbers in many Mou9ata3a and no clear populist favorite except in very few locations. It’s a sign of a divided country indeed, but also a sign of real democracy nonetheless. It could’ve gone either way and Ahmed came as close as ever to the ever elusive grey house. Now, we all look forward to his concession declaration and helping the country move on. He is a heavyweight in our political arena proved by a very strong %47.15 of the popular vote. That deserves recognition and respect of the incoming president. Sidi’s upcoming moves have to keep that percentage in mind, and I hope he will.
To the bloggers:
Although this is not the president we where all hoped for, lets give him the time to set his government and personnel and judge subsequently. Let’s see what his priorities are, and how he rules in the first few months. No matter how arrogant and power-blind the Taya cronies are, the slim margin they won by is a clear warning. They are standing on a very shaky ground right now. For that we have a reason to hope.
Californian
Sidioca live on Aljazeera
In his brief press statement, Sidioca reiterated his presidential campaign promises and stressed he'll encourage reform and be open to all parties without exception. He also said he would do everything to revive the economy, improve health services and tackle poverty. So far so good. Wait to see the government line up to be able to make up one's mind.
mom
So we wait for two crucial moments: one AOD response to the results and the government's line up.
we all knew now what damege MASSOUD
did for the CFCD, he is clearly the kings miker....
AOD accepts the results and congratulates Sidioca for his victory.
mom
Ano: 12:16
Massoud is the good men's breaker and the corrupt ones' maker. AOD lost because ZZ who finished third ahead of Massoud voted for Sidioca and of course because of the support of "Rumuz Alfassad".
A great reaction from Ahmed, indeed he proved to be a respectful wise man. Chapeau bas! Monsieur Daddah.
As you said mom, so far so good machallah. Sidioca starts well, but they all did lol. Let's hope he will act as he promised.
Congratulations to everyone for the success of this transition. Allah ibarak'he.
A plus!
A tentative government Make Up:
President: Sidioca
PM: ZZ
Parliament Speaker: Massoud
Finance Minister: Mrabout Sidi Mahmoud
(I leave the remaining ministries for you to fill in)
mom
Well, mom, what about a national unity government with AOD as PM, then Messoud will join the CFCD back (lol).
hey guys
congratulations for every one for the succes finally democratique country
mom
s9ayer ould embarek minister of education cheickh el avia minister du peche
Guys, the fear now is how the heavyweight "Mufsideen" in Sidioca's are going to see their victory. If they receive it with humility and work for the common good of the people then they would save us and themselves. But if they see the results as a sign of the "people's love" for them for what they did in the past and for what they stood for, then expect troubles ahead which will spare nobody.
Nice try mom,
Rim politician, that would actually be funny, if we get cheikh avia and sghayer back for these particular offices.
I will be more creative
President: Sidioca lol, that was easy
PM: Unknown
Parliament Speaker: Unknown
Finance Minister: also Unknown
Ambassador in Syria: Saleh ould hanana
another important post: mom
Mes3oud: el7ale el medeniye
Fill in below:
• Premier Ministre :
• Ministre des Affaires étrangères:
• Ministre de la Justice :
• Ministre de l'Intérieur:
• Ministre des Finances:
• Ministre des Affaires Economiques et du développement:
• Ministre des Pêches et de l'économie maritime
• Ministre de l'Equipement et des transports
• Ministre de la Culture, de la jeunesse et des sports:
• Ministre du Commerce, de l'Artisanat et du Tourisme
• Ministre de l'Energie et du pétrole
• Ministre de l'Hydraulique
• Ministre des Mines et de l'Industrie
• Ministre du Développement rural et de l'environnement
• Ministre de l'Enseignement supérieur et de la recherche scientifique
• Ministre de l'Enseignement fondamental et secondaire
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PM;ZZ
M affaire etrangers ; dah ould abdi
M justice kaba ould 3leywa
M iterieur lemrabott
M financeABDALLAHI OULD SOULEYMANE
m education s9ayer
m peche cheickh el khazou
m l equipement et transport essejad oul 3beydna
m communication ould hedar/hamoud vibreur
ministre de la jeunesse saleck mint yamark
leave the others for u lol
Here is a serious question for debate. To steal an idea from the American political system. It will be adequate to have all the high powered nominations go through parliament or senate approval. The public have a say on who should be president, and I think our representatives should have a say and who should this president surround himself with. This obviously will take a constitutional amendment, but it’s just a thought that seems pertinent given our discussion. Checks and balances.
Californian
Californian,
I like your idea. I think that we should definitely learn from older democracies how to protect people's interest. However, our constitution is not mature enough to sustain major changes. We don’t want the people in power coming back saying we want to reverse the limit on the number of presidency terms or make it 100 years per term. Therefore, in my opinion, I think that we should leave the constitution alone for now. Besides, in the short term it wouldn’t make a difference anyway. Sidioca has the majority of the parliament on his side(Saffaga). They will approve who ever he nominates.
EYOUB
hey guys
EYOUB i like ur comments as u said it's premeture for the new president to change anything in the constitution and as well it's premeture to start critisising him
as u said he was back up by the majority of the parlement which are(saffaga)
hope he is going to be a good president and doesn't forget that over 47% didn't vote for him
what's up guys
Thanks Rim politician, you’re kind but I still think that he sucks!!
EYOUB
I wish him success though. Sidioca that is.
EYOUB
morning
EYOUB i don't know anything about him exept that he has got a weak personalitty if that is the case he will be definatly influenced by his entourage "assel manehoum essa7aba" starting with his wife(mariema ibneta 3imran,lol) to the people who back him up in the campaign
i hope it is not the case or elli m3ah yehdihoum moulana
cheers
I am a little bit concerned that nothing much has changed, but Ould Taya being replaced by the new President. Mithaq = ex-Prds and Ely and Aziz are around until 2012. So, if Sidioca is not strong, the same thing will continue with all my respect to him (I don't know him!). Let's wait until we see the composition of the new government and see the first move. I learned from CRIDEM this morning that Ely has just nominated an Ambassador to Sudan (brother to his wife), after the new President was elected. I don't really know his love story with Sudan. Perhaps the telecom business and the country's association with the High Tech Group of Sudan (real estate, oil and everything in between)seems to be stronger than people thought before. All the oil blocs or most of them assigned to Indian, Sudanese, Chinese, Arab et other Asian oil companies (not signatory to the transparency in extractive insustries initiative). No news of the details regarding these deals and the bonuses paid not reported anyway yet).So, forget about good governance before, during the transition. With the Roumouz still around the new President and CMJD & Co protecting the place, I am not certain that good economic governance is a priority. I fear it will be like business as usual. Corruption and bad governance are always the ones to break the back of a country and in particular ours. I am accusing no one but I have not seen anything to tell me that we are going towards a better future yet.People are watching ....
hi
last ano we can't judge sidioca so far and don't be dissapointed it is to early for that
about ely he has a romantique story with sudan lol, but i take off my hat for ely and i respect him.ELY thank you very much indeed for what u have done for us and i will give you my vote in 2012 if god's willing
rim politician,
that is tlahlih and people are tired of it. wake up
hi last ano lol
it is not tla7li7 as u called it.it's the truth don't be ungratefull what ELY has done for Mauritania has to be appreciated by us and he has white his face in his country,that's my opinion if u have another opinion let's share it with u
rim politician,
rim politician
there is nothing to be grateful to Ely. He could not stay in power, but tried everything to hold into it and in the process f.. up what he promised: neutrality and leave people chose their leader. the one we have could not haave got in without spoon feeding from the old system. he left the house in good hands waiting for his return in 2012. For 20 years he associated himself in breaking my country, my people and my heart. you want the old situation to return? you should know that will never happen. be serious
hi last ano
it's great to change ideas with u
well he was in taya regime mais "kafar 3an seyi2attou" sidioca was not elected b coz of the cmjd but b coz of his damn entourage who have the money of the country and unfortunently in our country people still move where the money moves
let's hope that sidioca won't be influenced by his entourage and hope for him succes in runing mauritania democrate islamique
guys where r u wake up it's already noon
rim politician,
that is a more positive note and thank you.
I just passed by to read some of ur comments, I see that we have a broken heart (last ano), could you elaborate more and expalin to the audience in details how was your heart broken by ely, and by other people? It's always could to share ur ups and downs, with anonymous people. So please "do tell."
Mom, you have been busy since the results were out, does that mean one of us,mom, is gonna be nominated. If it's the case, I think we should celebrate.
We havent heard anything from mes3oud and zz, or they aren't allowed to talk anymore?
A plus
EYOUB & RIM
You are right about the fragile state of the constitution. I was not, however, advocating an immediate change. It will be ideal in the future to dwell more on the power of the legislative houses and how they can be more effective. I believe that vetting through all nominations should be part of that responsibility. I am certainly not qualified to suggests ways of doing this without a constitutional change, but I hope there is way. It is just a thought.. may be even wishful thinking.
Un Chinguittois,
True that mom has been less and less active in his appearances. That worries me about the longevity of this blog. Once the political brouhaha winds down, this blog will be challenged to continue on. That will be a daunting task if left to one man.
Californian
Hello people!
Miss you. I saw the discussion between the ano and Rim Politician. It is ok for him to say what he wants to say. Having seen our politicians turn their boubous at the speed of light these recent weeks (including Daddah, Messaoud, Ely himself, etc..), it is ok to question everything. Personally I will believe only when I see. I visited canalh for example and that seems to be the consensus. This does not mean that people do not respect President Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi, but I guess it is just a kind of pressure to let him know that the Mauritanian People is expecting from him more than we got from Moctar Ould Daddah (Allah Yarhmou), Ould Haidallah, Ould Taya and those who came in between.
Concerning this blog, mom has done a great job and he should rest until just before the new government is known. Then he shall really wake up and help us focus on the real issues. I predict that this blog will be here for a long time and grow and grow ... Rushing for a meeting at this uncivilized hour ! See ya Tidinit
Californian/ Rim Politician
I went digging a little bit about Californian's Question regarding the provision of approval by the parliament of governmental appointees. I run into the following link that has en English Translation of the Mauritanian Constitution. http://expired.oefre.unibe.ch/law/icl/mr00000_.html
It’s an easy read and it’s actually pretty cool. Please read Title XI- article 99->101. Please correct me if I misunderstood, but it looks like there are 2 ways to pass a revision of the constitution.
- 2/3 of the nation assembly + 2/3 of the senate + the majority in referendum, OR
- Submitted by the president and approved by 3/5 of the nation assembly
This stuff is fascinating. At least for me because, unfortunately and shamefully (lol), I never read the text of Mauritanian constitution. You know what’s funny? Assuming that this text is complete and accurate, The CMDJ IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!! I went quickly across the text and found nothing that says that the military may take the power, and shuffle everything around and do whatever it is they did…!!. This in itself brings up a lot of questions.
But we are Mauritanian therefore, WHATEVER,…lol
EYOUB
Interesting Ayoub. I am certain there is an "artifice" that CMJD lawyers used to make what they did rightful. I guess it is stopping the constitution for a while or something of that sort. Shame on me too as I have never read completely and carefully any of "our" constitutions as my understanding of law is very minimal.
On another point, I am reminded that the age limit for running is 75 years. If AOD is 66, then he will be 71 or 72 in 2012. And Sidioca will be 74. So, lots of people will be running again in 2012. So, if Ely want to come back and run, he will certainly find lots of the old political guys and girls waiting to do the same. I am certain that ZZ and Mint Mouknass will be in. New other people will certainly join in. Cheers. Tidinit
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